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Post by Skylarking on Apr 26, 2005 21:52:37 GMT -5
Mainly "dirty heathens unite." Pardon my bad quoting skills, I'll fix it.  Eh, I'm proud of my non-Christianity, and I like that word. |
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Post by ***chocolateIceCream*** on Apr 27, 2005 16:21:56 GMT -5
That's very interesting.
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Post by EyesofanAngel20 on Apr 27, 2005 21:34:55 GMT -5
everyone is entitled to their own opinion. you just better hope your right! sry, i saw that on a bumper sticker. I really dont know what to say about this. I dont "preach" to people or shove the Bible down their throats, but I do witness...all i can say is that God loves you and Im praying for you (this is for all the non-Christians out there)
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Post by hoarpumpkin on Apr 27, 2005 21:54:42 GMT -5
varietys good...soemtimes... "but not now" |
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Post by EyesofanAngel20 on Apr 27, 2005 22:18:35 GMT -5
i didn't say that. i just ment that variety is good. If you want to voice your opinion, then go right ahead. its a free country.
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Post by Lady on Apr 28, 2005 14:17:28 GMT -5
I feel bad for those who don't believe in God. why you may ask, cuz when i die if there really is a God (which there is)then I know for a fact i will go to heaven. If there is not then it makes no difference, does it? unlike non-christians, or "heathens" as apperently you like to call yourselves, when they die and there is really a God they will all go to hell! what a way to live life. not knowing if you will go to hell for ETERNITY. thats a heck of a long time
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Post by ***chocolateIceCream*** on Apr 28, 2005 14:36:35 GMT -5
when i die if there really is a God ... i will go to heaven. If there is not then it makes no difference, does it? unlike non-christians ... when they die and there is really a God they will all go to hell! Well, what if I believe that you MUST eat blueberries every day for the rest of your life? And if you do, when you die you will go to blueberry heaven. And if you don't, you will burn in blueberry hell. And if I'm wrong, what's the harm? Sigh. |
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Post by Skylarking on Apr 28, 2005 20:25:17 GMT -5
I feel bad for those who don't believe in God. why you may ask, cuz when i die if there really is a God (which there is)then I know for a fact i will go to heaven. If there is not then it makes no difference, does it? unlike non-christians, or "heathens" as apperently you like to call yourselves, when they die and there is really a God they will all go to hell! what a way to live life. not knowing if you will go to hell for ETERNITY. thats a heck of a long time And I could sat that I feel bad for Christians because they are wasting their lives working towards absolutely nothing, and they are living a lie. Frustrating, isn't it? |
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Post by Shodan on Apr 28, 2005 21:39:35 GMT -5
I feel bad for those who don't believe in God. why you may ask, cuz when i die if there really is a God (which there is)then I know for a fact i will go to heaven. If there is not then it makes no difference, does it? unlike non-christians, or "heathens" as apperently you like to call yourselves, when they die and there is really a God they will all go to hell! what a way to live life. not knowing if you will go to hell for ETERNITY. thats a heck of a long time I remember you mentioning this in another thread. it is Pascall's Wager and is a good example of poor reasoning. After all, what if it is not the case that God exists, but not the case the no god exists? What if the Hindu religion is the correct faith, and it is Vishnu who decides where you end up? Do you think he will be impressed that you worshipped another god? Simply put, the wager only allows for two possible outcomes when in fact we do not know how many they are. It is not a simple matter of Christianity vs Atheism. Also if your God is the kind who would subject people to infinite torture for a finite crime, then he is not the sort of guy I would want to worship anyway. |
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Post by EyesofanAngel20 on Apr 28, 2005 22:00:34 GMT -5
you have to take responsibility for your actions. if you lie, what are you? a lier. if you steal, what are you? a theif. if you commit adultry, what are you? and adulterer. God does not want to send anyone to hell. thats why He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross for us. He also gives us the opportunity to ask Him for forgiveness for our sins and accept Jesus as our Savior. He loves us so much and He hates it when we ignore His offer and turn away from Him. All I have to say is there is a God, there is a Heaven, there is a devil, and their is a Hell, and there is the Messiah who wants you to accept him and live for him. Its much better than living for Satan or yourself. Everyone worships something, whether its God, Satan, cars, money, animals, nature...whatever. Every one worships something, and I choose to worship God. He is real and I am NOT wasting my time beliving in Him.
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Post by Shodan on Apr 28, 2005 22:20:48 GMT -5
you have to take responsibility for your actions. And I do. I will not, however, take responsibilty for the actions of others. Which is exactly what God did when he allowed the fact that Adam and Eve sinned to affect mankind as a whole. if you lie, what are you? a lier. if you steal, what are you? a theif. if you commit adultry, what are you? and adulterer. Good thing I do not do any of these then, if I can help it. God does not want to send anyone to hell. Yet he still does. He sends people to be punished forever for commiting a finite crime. thats why He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross for us. He also put us in this situation in the first place, and he knew how it would turn out. He also gives us the opportunity to ask Him for forgiveness for our sins and accept Jesus as our Savior. I do not see the need to beg forgiveness for the things I do that harm no-one. He loves us so much and He hates it when we ignore His offer and turn away from Him. He loves us so much that he gave us free will, but will torture us for eternity if we use it the wrong way. Sure it is still "free" in the literal sense, but not in the practical sense. All I have to say is there is a God, there is a Heaven, there is a devil, and their is a Hell, and there is the Messiah who wants you to accept him and live for him. I have seen evidence for none of these things, so forgive me if I remain skeptical Its much better than living for Satan or yourself. I fail to see how. Everyone worships something, whether its God, Satan, cars, money, animals, nature...whatever. Every one worships something False. and I choose to worship God. He is real and I am NOT wasting my time beliving in Him. good for you. I choose to not worship anything and to live my life as best I can, and have a positive effect on those around me. And I am NOT wasting my time doing so. And if my life is such that I am sent to hell for it then all that does is confirm my suspicions about God. |
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Post by surfergirl16 on Apr 28, 2005 22:39:43 GMT -5
in order of how you posted:
1. God did not allow Adam and Eve to sin. He gave them a mind and a free will when He created them. I don't see how you get that he allowed that to happen. That is somthing a loving God would never do.
2. you said that you don't do either of those things if you could help it. you have lied to someone and youve done other things. Everyone does. Thats why we need to ask for forgiveness because its wrong.
3. God doesn't send anyone to Hell. We send ourselves there by sinning and not accepting Christ. God gives everyone the choice to accpet Him and if we don't, then we go to hell when we die. Its our dicission. Why would God let us into Heaven when we don't want to go there in the first place?
4. i have no idea what to say to this one. again, it was our choice to sin.
5. you don't have to beg for forgiveness. just ask God to forgive you and He will. Its simple.
Also, if you sin you harm someone, whether its your parents, your friends, you, whatever. someone always gets hurt.
6. see number 4
7. seeing is not beliving. thats why there is faith. We have to belive with our hearts, not our eyes.
8. God gives us happiness. Satan brings distress, sadness, and no hope. Christians are happy, loving, and love living for God because we have hope.
9. True. Worship is when you love something so much you won't give it up or would die for it.
10. i just hope your right about not accepting God.
Im sorry, but I must get off line now. I need rest, and to pray. I will be praying for you. I hope my opinions helped in some way. Love- faith
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Post by EyesofanAngel20 on Apr 28, 2005 22:42:57 GMT -5
I agree with Faith. Shes right on target there.
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Post by Shodan on Apr 28, 2005 23:41:59 GMT -5
in order of how you posted: 1. God did not allow Adam and Eve to sin. He gave them a mind and a free will when He created them. I don't see how you get that he allowed that to happen. That is somthing a loving God would never do. well lets look at this. God put Adam and Eve in a situation where it was possible for them to sin, through a combination of free will, temptation and ability. agreed? God is omniscient, and know everything that will happen. agreed? God is also omniptent, and has the ability to do anything. agreed? So God knew that Adam and Eve would eat the fruit. He also knew that in eating the fruit they would doom mankind to sin. despite this, he still put them in a situation where this would occur. he could have changed the situation but he did not. He allowed it, and the only way he could not have is if he were not omniscient and did not know what was going to happen, or he was not omnipotent and could not change it. 2. you said that you don't do either of those things if you could help it. you have lied to someone and youve done other things. Everyone does. Thats why we need to ask for forgiveness because its wrong. True. I have lied before and I have hurt people before, which is why I said "if I can help it". I do not go out of my way to do these things though, and in normal circumstances I find these things abhorant. However, I do not agree that they are always wrong. Suppose for example that I stole a gun from a person because I knew they were going to use it to kill someone? What about lying to protect myself in a manner that has no ill-effect on other people? 3. God doesn't send anyone to Hell. We send ourselves there by sinning and not accepting Christ. God gives everyone the choice to accpet Him and if we don't, then we go to hell when we die. Its our dicission. Why would God let us into Heaven when we don't want to go there in the first place? Come on, this is a joke. Who is the one who gave the order that those who do not accept Christ are sent to hell? God. Who is the one who has the only word in who goes to hell? God. Who is the one who created hell in the first place? God. 4. i have no idea what to say to this one. again, it was our choice to sin. It is not our choice to sin if we are put in a situation where we are guarenteed to sin. 5. you don't have to beg for forgiveness. just ask God to forgive you and He will. Its simple. Again, except that I do not feel the need to ask forgiveness for things that harm no-one. Also, if you sin you harm someone, whether its your parents, your friends, you, whatever. someone always gets hurt. False. Who am I harming when I say "God ****"? no-one, apart from a being who I highly doubt exists in the first place. Yet apparently that is still enough to justify sending my to be tortured for eternity. My sins are more or less limited to blasphemy and disbelief. These thing only (arguably) harm myself, which is my choice to make, and God who I do not believe exists in the first place, and thus cannot be harmed. It is not our choice to sin if we are put in a situation where we are guarenteed to sin. Let us look at it this way. I offer you an apple or an orange. If you take the apple I will ensure that your every need is fulfilled for as long as you live, if you take the orange I beat you to death with your own arm. Your choice is free. However, let us suppose that you have a natural disposition towards oranges to the point that you will take it, no-matter what the cost. This is like humans and sin according to Christianity. He have a natural disposition towads sin (which was somehow passed down from generation to generation because some people ate some fruit. yes, a just God indeed) which implies that no matter what, we are going to sin. We cannot take the apple ourselves, we need Jesus to give it to us. So the choice is not as free as it seems. 7. seeing is not beliving. thats why there is faith. We have to belive with our hearts, not our eyes. And that is part of why I am unable to believe. 8. God gives us happiness. Satan brings distress, sadness, and no hope. Christians are happy, loving, and love living for God because we have hope. Good for you. I do not care about what Satan brings because I do not worship Satan. My point was more raised towards the "living for yourself" part. I am happy and loving for the sole reason that I chose to be. I do not have some lingering threat over my head telling me that I need to be that way or I will go to hell, meaning that I do those things only to avoid punishment. Nor do I have some teacher figure leading by example and showing how it is apparently best to act and is a way to get into heaven. This is how I am, and my choice to be that way is based solely on the virtues of such facets of a person's mindset, and not on some ulterior motive of attaining salvation of avoiding ****ation. 9. True. Worship is when you love something so much you won't give it up or would die for it. I do not worship anything. Worship is where you pay a particularly strong reverence to a being or object. You do this with God. I do not do this with cars or nature or Satan or God or anything. There is only one thing I am willing to die for, and I do not revere it. I love it, but I accept that it has faults just as much as it has virtues. There is nothing, in this world or the next, that I worship. 10. i just hope your right about not accepting God. Care to explain what this means? |
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Post by ***chocolateIceCream*** on Apr 29, 2005 14:50:30 GMT -5
God put Adam and Eve in a situation where it was possible for them to sin, through a combination of free will, temptation and ability. agreed? God is omniscient, and know everything that will happen. agreed? God is also omniptent, and has the ability to do anything. agreed? So God knew that Adam and Eve would eat the fruit. He also knew that in eating the fruit they would doom mankind to sin. despite this, he still put them in a situation where this would occur. he could have changed the situation but he did not. He allowed it, and the only way he could not have is if he were not omniscient and did not know what was going to happen, or he was not omnipotent and could not change it. Yes. God allowed it. God allowed free will. Don't we all here agree that humans have free will? Please clarify your point. Who am I harming when I say "God ****"? no-one, apart from a being who I highly doubt exists in the first place. Yet apparently that is still enough to justify sending my to be tortured for eternity. I understand that you don't believe in God, but just for clarity's sake, you don't go to hell for saying God d**n. (I assume that's what you mean.) |
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