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Post by kiwie on Apr 7, 2005 15:11:11 GMT -5
1) yes He would. 2). I dont think that was His *plan* for them; I think He *lets* it happen for a reason b/c in Romans 8:28 it says that all things work together for good. You could also use circular reasoning w/ the plan thing and just letting it happen. He knew it was going to happen, so evidently it was His *plan* also to let it happen. yeh kinda complicated..i'll NEVER understand all of God's ways until i reach heaven.
*sorry guys i just felt i needed to respond before it got too out of hand. you can move this over to the debate place if ya want
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Post by Phobic of Tragedy on Apr 7, 2005 16:02:08 GMT -5
Well whether it's his plan or not, he knew and expected it to happen. I would assume that if it wasn't his plan, being all-powerful, he could perform some kind of miracle and not let people go through with abortion. I find it funny that you say you don't understand it, yet you base your views on abortion on the bible. Does it ever say "Do not terminate your unborn fetus" anywhere in the bible? I don't think so.
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Post by kiwie on Apr 7, 2005 21:08:34 GMT -5
Well whether it's his plan or not, he knew and expected it to happen. I would assume that if it wasn't his plan, being all-powerful, he could perform some kind of miracle and not let people go through with abortion. I find it funny that you say you don't understand it, yet you base your views on abortion on the bible. Does it ever say "Do not terminate your unborn fetus" anywhere in the bible? I don't think so. He can. But like i said, maybe He lets it happen for a reason but I wont know while I'm still here on earth. There's alot of things we wont know, it doesn't have to involve the supernatural.  And no it doesn't say 'do not terminate your own fetus' in the Bible. but it DOES say in the ten commandments 'Thou shalt not murder.' And there's also alot of other painful circumstances that God *lets* happen. It's happened in my life, and it always seems to work for good. My pain makes me stronger. Please dont misconstrue this and say "so God lets ppl massmurder little fetuses???" no, i'm not saying he's a bloodthirsty ogre up high in the sky. |
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Post by kiwie on Apr 7, 2005 21:11:09 GMT -5
He can. But like i said, maybe He lets it happen for a reason but I wont know while I'm still here on earth. There's alot of things we wont know, it doesn't have to involve the supernatural. And no it doesn't say 'do not terminate your own fetus' in the Bible. but it DOES say in the ten commandments 'Thou shalt not murder.' And there's also alot of other painful circumstances that God *lets* happen. It's happened in my life, and it always seems to work for good. My pain makes me stronger. Please dont misconstrue this and say "so God lets ppl massmurder little fetuses???" no, i'm not saying he's a bloodthirsty ogre up high in the sky. I'm saying He has a reason for everything. and i dont have all the answers; none of us do. |
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Post by Phobic of Tragedy on Apr 7, 2005 22:24:00 GMT -5
He can. But like i said, maybe He lets it happen for a reason but I wont know while I'm still here on earth. There's alot of things we wont know, it doesn't have to involve the supernatural. And no it doesn't say 'do not terminate your own fetus' in the Bible. but it DOES say in the ten commandments 'Thou shalt not murder.' And there's also alot of other painful circumstances that God *lets* happen. It's happened in my life, and it always seems to work for good. My pain makes me stronger. Please dont misconstrue this and say "so God lets ppl massmurder little fetuses???" no, i'm not saying he's a bloodthirsty ogre up high in the sky. Except, abortion isn't murder... GAH. |
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Post by *xoxo* on Apr 8, 2005 10:36:53 GMT -5
yes it is...do i have to bring up the definition of murder again?? GAH! lol...
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Post by Phobic of Tragedy on Apr 8, 2005 18:27:20 GMT -5
yes it is...do i have to bring up the definition of murder again?? GAH! lol... I already brought up the definition murder. It's unlawful killing of a person. Not only is abortion legal, but a fetus is not yet a person. A fetus is just the uborn young of a human. |
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Post by kiwie on Apr 8, 2005 23:44:08 GMT -5
I already brought up the definition murder. It's unlawful killing of a person. Not only is abortion legal, but a fetus is not yet a person. A fetus is just the uborn young of a human. according to my definition in the actual debate place, it doesn't have to be a human to be murder. ok consider this: you kill a dog. a dog's not a human. is that murder or killing? i would say yes. what else would u call it? Anything that destroys life is murder. and an unborn fetus is life even if it's a glob of cells. Dont fool urself, cells are living. |
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Post by kiwie on Apr 8, 2005 23:45:35 GMT -5
oh and it was ME who brought up the definition of murder. i looked it up online from several sites.  |
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Post by Phobic of Tragedy on Apr 9, 2005 13:46:10 GMT -5
according to my definition in the actual debate place, it doesn't have to be a human to be murder. ok consider this: you kill a dog. a dog's not a human. is that murder or killing? i would say yes. what else would u call it? Anything that destroys life is murder. and an unborn fetus is life even if it's a glob of cells. Dont fool urself, cells are living. I realized that. But it does have to be a person and it does have to be unlawful. I already pointed this out, but since you're not getting it, it's not worth pointing out again. oh and it was ME who brought up the definition of murder. i looked it up online from several sites. No, I brought it up far before you did, thanks. |
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Post by ProphetessOfGod89 on Apr 10, 2005 15:26:58 GMT -5
No it wasn't in his plan for them to die, he isn't killing them-we are. Why would it be in his plan for people to kill people(helpless ones at that!). We are the ones to blame not God.
What "good" does it do?
Yes God is all powerful but with your(Heartless Laila) reasoning God, so people wouldn't go to hell, would have everyone saved-since he already knows that they have to be saved.
~Amanda
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Post by Phobic of Tragedy on Apr 10, 2005 15:37:33 GMT -5
He is allowing the pregnant woman to make the decision to abort her fetus, and he is allowing the fetus to be aborted. And if we want to get technical, he is allowing the "freedom of choice" in this situation, and he allowed the creation of abortion.
Also, you asked why god would kill people-people die every day. He allows that. That's in his plan.
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Post by Lady on Apr 11, 2005 13:56:50 GMT -5
Not only is abortion legal 1) Abortion is NOT LEGAL 2) heartless, what does legality and government have to do with killing/murder? murder has nothing to do with government. when you kill a person(or fetus which will become a person) you do destroy their chances of living/survivng. is that not the definition of MURDER |
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Post by stardust15 on Apr 11, 2005 13:59:51 GMT -5
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Post by Lady on Apr 11, 2005 16:47:17 GMT -5
sry your right i got my facts mixed up
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And no it doesn't say 'do not terminate your own fetus' in the Bible. but it DOES say in the ten commandments 'Thou shalt not murder.' And there's also alot of other painful circumstances that God *lets* happen. It's happened in my life, and it always seems to work for good. My pain makes me stronger. Please dont misconstrue this and say "so God lets ppl massmurder little fetuses???" no, i'm not saying he's a bloodthirsty ogre up high in the sky.
