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Post by Spoonie on Apr 5, 2005 16:46:44 GMT -5
2)Do non-living things KICK while they are inside the womb? Non living things don't need a womb. Check out a rock. Abortion isn't the best moral thing, but sometime's it works out for the best. I would try to disuade people from an abortion but IT ISN'T YOUR CHOICE what other people do. If I wanted to go out and have sex right now, none of you could stop me, it's my choice. If I got pregnant and decided I wanted an abortion, which btw, I would never get unless it was under the most severe circumstances, then there is nothing you can do about it. And yes, there can be such a thing as truly unwanted children. And why add more children to the adoption program then there already is, you people are talking about how there's loving familys who want babies, then why don't they just adopt a little older children? My friend's family adopted a five year old eleven years ago. There's absolutely nothing wrong with him/
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Post by Phobic of Tragedy on Apr 5, 2005 18:36:24 GMT -5
So, if killing adults and children became illegal, it would not be murder because it's lawful? By definition, no, it wouldn't be murder anymore. I never said that makes it right. But it wouldn't be murder. Think if your mom aborted you because it was lawful? You would be dead- not terminated! ~Amanda This wasn't a very clear statement. But it is lawful, and my mom could have aborted me if she chose to. (Actually, she was considering it, and I would have preferred her to choose to do so, but that's a whole different story.) I'm not quite sure what "You would be dead-not terminated!" was supposed to prove though.
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Post by truelovewaits* on Apr 5, 2005 20:46:49 GMT -5
1. we're not arguing, we're debating. 2. if you think its dumb, then leave this debate.
Laila- not brutal, huh?
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Post by Phobic of Tragedy on Apr 5, 2005 20:58:26 GMT -5
Can an embryo or fetus feel pain? We know for sure that the embryo or fetus cannot perceive pain in the nearly 99 percent of all abortions that occur before the 20th week of pregnancy. It is even possible that a fetus is unable to perceive pain at any time during pregnancy. If, however, the ability to feel pain does develop before birth and consciousness, it is likely to happen only after the 28th week of pregnancy, when abortion is performed only for urgent medical reasons. www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2/portal/files/portal/medicalinfo/abortion/pub-abortion-q-and-a.xml
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Post by hoarpumpkin on Apr 5, 2005 21:00:32 GMT -5
Yes, actually.
Fetuses are parasitic. Yes, they're living, however, that doesn't make aborting a pregnancy any more wrong than curing ringworm.
Dead, AND wouldn't care!
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Post by sex ees gud on Apr 5, 2005 21:10:55 GMT -5
not really. But i'm a heartless freak...lol
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Post by Phobic of Tragedy on Apr 5, 2005 21:13:49 GMT -5
not really. But i'm a heartless freak...lol w00t, I'm not the only one. ^_^
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Post by sex ees gud on Apr 5, 2005 21:21:19 GMT -5
sweet! so we can be heartless freak hell friends!
lol
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Post by Phobic of Tragedy on Apr 5, 2005 21:31:37 GMT -5
sweet! so we can be heartless freak hell friends! lol Awesomefull. ^_^ Yeah...so uhm...abortion...
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Post by Skylarking on Apr 5, 2005 21:32:55 GMT -5
Well, I'm going to join in on this heartless-freak-hell-friend business. About abortions- I really don't care. I don't see why it should be illegal, and if you want to have one with a good reason behind it, I'll support you all the way. I can't see myself having one though, unless birth would endanger me or the baby, and that's just my comfort level right now.
It's not a human, it doesn't feel pain, and I don't see the difference between that and scratching, or to go further body mod or cutting, my arm, as previously stated.
If I were to get a piercing with a hollow needle (which I have) I'm losing a part of my body. A living clump of cells is now dead. *gasp*
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Post by Jewbread on Apr 5, 2005 22:42:48 GMT -5
abortions should be allowed up till the child is 5, maybe 5.5
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Post by Phobic of Tragedy on Apr 5, 2005 22:57:17 GMT -5
Heh heh, if there were the case, I would have been aborted for sure then. ^_^
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Post by Lady on Apr 5, 2005 23:07:52 GMT -5
Fetuses are parasitic. Yes, they're living, however, that doesn't make aborting a pregnancy any more wrong than curing ringworm. The concept that you apperently are not grasping is that we are talking about HUMAN BEINGS!!! we are not talking about some worm that is hazardous to your health. we are talking about living beings that if given the chance to live will become the next president, or a world leader, or a pope. or they could grow up to save peoples lives by becoming doctors, or pediatricians. OR they could grow up to be just like you and me, normal everyday average people. trying to do right in a crazy world, and trying to make a difference and a better life for our children. this world needs a next generation to make good judgements where we, or our parents, have made bad ones. things can not get better if there is no NEXT GENERATION b/c we killed them off. also, pain is just a small part. its the LIFE and the chance to LIVE and make choices that is the main issue. we should not be playing God and decide what child should live or die b/c we made the choice to have sex. deciding whether or not to have an abortion is a choice none of us should have. we do not have the knowledge to completely grasp the concept of what we are really doing. I have this friend, and she made a stupid mistake. she decided to get an abortion, and she regrets it everyday of her life. she told me there is never a day where she does not think of her unborn child in which she knows she has *KILLED*. like i said before, we as only human beings are not mature enough to handle the responsibility in who lives and dies. no one should ever have that choice
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Post by Phobic of Tragedy on Apr 5, 2005 23:24:25 GMT -5
we are not talking about some worm that is hazardous to your health. Perhaps a fetus isn't a worm, but in some cases, it can be very hazardous to the mother's health. Doctor's have even advised women to have abortions before. we are talking about living beings that if given the chance to live will become the next president, or a world leader, or a pope. or they could grow up to save peoples lives by becoming doctors, or pediatricians. OR they could grow up to be just like you and me, normal everyday average people. trying to do right in a crazy world, and trying to make a difference and a better life for our children. But if we do abort them, there will always be someone else to take their place. The world is overpopulated, so there is no need to worry my dear. this world needs a next generation to make good judgements where we, or our parents, have made bad ones. things can not get better if there is no NEXT GENERATION b/c we killed them off. There will always be a next generation, until everyone in the world becomes sterile. And again, the world is already overpopulated. we should not be playing God and decide what child should live or die b/c we made the choice to have sex. Aren't you playing god by trying to tell people what they should and shouldn't be able to decide? deciding whether or not to have an abortion is a choice none of us should have. Would you rather women die because of complications after a doctor tells them that an abortion would be the best option? Would you rather people abuse their children because they didn't have the choice to abort them? Adoption isn't always the perfect answer. like i said before, we as only human beings are not mature enough to handle the responsibility in who lives and dies. no one should ever have that choice It seems like you're pretty adamant on deciding that all the fetuses live...are you an exception to this statement?
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Post by Lady on Apr 5, 2005 23:52:08 GMT -5
Perhaps a fetus isn't a worm, but in some cases, it can be very hazardous to the mother's health. Doctor's have even advised women to have abortions before. But if we do abort them, there will always be someone else to take their place. The world is overpopulated, so there is no need to worry my dear. There will always be a next generation, until everyone in the world becomes sterile. And again, the world is already overpopulated. Aren't you playing god by trying to tell people what they should and shouldn't be able to decide? Would you rather women die because of complications after a doctor tells them that an abortion would be the best option? Would you rather people abuse their children because they didn't have the choice to abort them? Adoption isn't always the perfect answer. It seems like you're pretty adamant on deciding that all the fetuses live...are you an exception to this statement? In order.... 1)i know that pregnancies can be hazardous and if you will read some of my earlier statements i said that abortion should not happen unless it is hazardous to the mothers health 2)yes, the world is overpopulated but thats b/c of peoples stupid mistakes, should we really punish the innocent for that(oh, and don't call me DEAR!) 3)if we keep killing off the unborn then who do you think will give birth to the next generation. yes the earth may be overpopulated but it still could die out.maybe not anytime soon, but it could happen. you never know whats going to happen in the future 4)No, i am not playing God. How can i be playing God when i am simply voicing my opinion. i am not holding a gun to your head saying " if you have an abortion i will kill you".i can't TELL people what to do or what to decide. i can just simply tell them a differnt point of view. people have choices (maybe too many choices) which i can't make for them. 5)this goes along with # 1. as to all things there are exceptions. like complications in giving birth. but as for abuse, i think adoption should most certainly be answer 6)please explain better i don't fully understand. *note that in all of my opinions and statements, i use the word SHOULD. these are my OPINIONS and what i believe SHOULD be. this does not mean that they are
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